Offensive Christian Sites

[acresofhope]

I feel like I want to puke. I don't see how people can point to certain denominations/Bibles/etc. are tools of Satan or somehow blasphemous. I didn't read all of either of these because I thought they were argumentative, and in my opinion pointless, not to mention moronic.

"False" Bibles?

Now this article claims that modern Bibles are Satanic, because of a few discrepancies in text. When "proving" this, they don't even mention which translation they are refuting (at least not from what I read). And the points made are ridiculous, considering I think any thinking Christian knows Joseph wasn't the true father of Jesus and that His blood is the reason we have forgiveness of sins. Besides, most Christians I know, though they use mostly one translation for their daily reading, they use multiple translations for study.

Yeshua or Jesus?

I'm especially upset with this in light of my recent interest in Messianic Judaism. Not that I'm thinking of "converting", though I wouldn't see it as that. Now it has it's good points, but one main point (or lack thereof): this article basically says you have to call Him Jesus to be saved. Now obviously I don't think calling Him Jesus is wrong, because I do it myself, but I'm growing very fond of His Hebrew name. It just sounds beautiful to me (not that Jesus doesn't, but you know what I mean). The main part of the article that bothers me is this:

Yeshua people are trying to build a case with no proof from the New Testament. Again, the New Testament was not written in Hebrew but rather in Greek and translated directly into English for our English speaking society to read. So God wanted the known Greek speaking inhabited world at that time of the first century to know the name of Messiah, which brings salvation, healing and power over demons, to be "Iesous" (or Jesus in English) and not "Yeshua." If God wanted the Jewish writers of the New Testament to use Yeshua they would have but they didn't. To say Yeshua means "salvation" is not a clear connection to the Savior from Nazareth. It doesn't identify the one who shed his blood on the cross of Calvary, rose from the dead and is coming back again, as the NT identifies Jesus of Nazareth.

The argument itself has flaws. Even if you follow it through, His name would be Iesous and not Jesus. Regardless of that fact, as I understand it, there is no actually name "Iesous" in Greek, and the name was converted from Hebrew to Greek phonetically, where possible. (I got that info from a Messianic site, mind you, but I don't remember which.) And even then, "Iesous" is still just the English transliteration of the Greek, as "Yeshua" is the English transliteration of the Hebrew. So to say one name is better or more correct than the other is kinda...stupid?

But anyway, I'd love to rant some more, but Dad's home and he want's the computer. Let me know your thoughts.

Edit: A few more thoughts added to the end, since I can now ^^ They are in bold.

Comments

[fairyranikata.livejournal.com]

That was just... >-<. So offensive to us all! I totally agree with you.

[acresofhope.livejournal.com]

I would have checked, except I don't own the KJ. I do, however, own a NKJ, NIV and NASB. Glad to hear it's a bunch of crap, though I already figured it was.

[firejem325x.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's that hard to understand....People understand "chat speak" and "ghetto slang" so what's the difference? King James is what I was raised on....plus it broadens your vocabulary ^_^ YAY VOCABULARY!

[acresofhope.livejournal.com]

I think the point was that English has changed alot since the translation was made. So yeah, I'd imagine most people wouldn't understand it.

[acresofhope.livejournal.com]

You have to read both verses listed to get the full view of what they were saying. Though I doubt the KJ says anything different than the NIV.

[ex-airehen.livejournal.com]

WHY do people get stuck thing KJV version is like "THE" version...would the centuries/millenia old scrolls actually be "THE" version. Changing language does not change the gospel, but helps it to spread.

And as for the name thing...again, it's a language thing. So what, is it wrong to call the name of God's Son in any other tongue besides that which "someone" thinks is correct?

I have heard the Bible argue meant before and it's very irritating.

[radiojedi.livejournal.com]

Many people who criticize Messianic Jews don't "get it" or understand where we are coming from.

It's funny to me that so many people uphold the KJV because it was translated from the Latin and not the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic--so it's not just the "Old English," it's not as accurate as bibles that go back to the original languages.

[acresofhope.livejournal.com]

Really? I had no idea the KJV was translated from Latin. I learn something new every day.

[radiojedi.livejournal.com]

Yep!

I had no idea either until my Intro. to bible class back in college; I learned all about translations, so I am decently versed on their strengths and weaknesses and often give recommendations for people. I love being able to do that : ) I personally have several translations and do have a copy of thr KJV that I don't really use since it's hard to understand :)

[kibbutznik.livejournal.com]

ehhe..., where to start. Ok first, I am not a christian, I do not do christmas or easter, but I do worship at times on sundays.., but I know the sabbath is on saturday..., just look at your calendar and scripture for that matter 'Ive got a whole list of scriptures that shows that', for they are pagan and even the pagans follow and observe those holidays..., that should tell ya something.

AND, Yeshua and Paul and his disciples, if they were here would not be observing those holidays because they are strictly pagan and break base commands, nor would they go anywhere near christianity but Yeshua's name and having faith in it..., still works what it says it will work. For its a law set by G-d, we have grace and time..., for the moment.

But, I do recognize that christians, having slid away from the original things taught, must come back and a lot are, slowly and surely. Jews are also beginning to recognize Yeshua as HaMashiach..., I have as well. Time is growing short and a bridge is being built. But recognizing the christianity of today does is not a snapshot of what Yeshua left when he ascended, and knowing the history of where, how and why it became what it is..., are essential in helping others to teshuva 'return' to the things of Christ. It will happen..., in short order.

Scripture isn't satanic its just been 'tainted' a bit. Meaning, there are mistranslations and misinterpretations and so on and such.

I have been in a few deliverance ministry rooms, yes, in a messianic synagogue none the less. You can say Jesus, or Yeshua and the demonics still know of what you speak and tremble. So whats the big deal?! Knowing 'who' he is, is the most important piece and personal relationship with obedience, thats the key. The rest, does have some merit as to origination, but knowledge is power in that you can then make a correct decision on what then to do. Yeshua, its more correct, closer to the original for me, and I've seen people delivered by using it. Did you know there was no letter J back then, so Joshua, wouldn't sound like Joshua, interesting side notes of information.

But parts of scripture are continually being changed, the power taken out of it. Like the Orthodox jew who won't speak G-d's name or accept Yeshua for example, it continues today. There is power in those names, and not using them..., essentially leaves us with no power or ability to overcome.

"Iesous" is a common name for a false g-d..., and the translation seems to match closely..., but we all know who Yeshua is, and even though Jesus who is the christ works just fine...I just use Yeshua. His name is NOT Jesus Christ, for G-d's last name is not Christ, and Yeshua never had that last name. Yeshua has both the physical and spiritual covered, his physical Father was a Jew and his physical Mother was a jew, both descend from David. AND..., he is the literal son of the living G-d and more importantly he became the eternal sacrifice..., what more is there. Just Follow and observe obediently as he instructed. Its as simple as that aye!

Here is another piece, Yeshua 'jesus' is Hebrew and Christ is from Greek. Someone thought it cute and rolled words from two different cultures together to give him a first and last name. What gives with that..., it has no real purpose or point and does not fit. So I don't do it and just roll my eyes in silence, and do as Yeshua told me to do for he did say....'follow me'. And with that I have no need of the human modifications.

Did you know the NIV is owned by a gay/lesbian organization? Why are they stripping and changing words or owning it to do so if it holds no power to take away? Its a written form of the spoken word of G-d. Think of Yeshua who IS the personification in flesh of the living word of G-d, it is alive and HE is alive, and it will not return to the Father void. We need to dig INTO those texts and find what they said as originally written, for it has POWER and purpose in it for us to grow.

I could ramble yet on..., but your not looking for a book. Interact if you'd like. :-)
Shalom.